Jasnik
3:26 Mon Nov 9
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I said the same when Newcastle scored many moons ago. it is this interfering with play crap.
If you are standing on the pitch you must be interfering with play as another player has to check where you are.
Which is for the crap goal they gave when we were playing again Newcastle. still makes me angry.
Also that ball went through his legs and they were as he didn't touch it bollocks..
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-[Rasta]-
3:01 Mon Nov 9
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A player is only offside when interfering with play by touching the ball or preventing an opponent from doing so, he just jumped miles away from the ball on both accounts
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Iron Duke
2:32 Mon Nov 9
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On the other hand, Sterling tried to stay on his feet after getting contact in the box, no penalty awarded. If he went to ground it would have been given. Diangana did the same v Burnley a couple of years ago and to his credit Dyche criticised the decision.
Refs are as much to blame for players dramatically going to ground.
With Cairney, you could see that he kicks the ball away and starts to go to ground even before the contact was made. That is a classic training ground tactic. Some might call it clever attacking play but it’s not something I like to see.
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Rossal
2:22 Mon Nov 9
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Players throw themselves to the ground amid the littlest of contact and refs give it. VAR watch replays in slow mo and never in real time which doesnt help
And as for the offsides, what i dont get it linesman waiting to put their flag up when its so obvious its offside. There was one in our game, Fulham bloke was 3 or 4 yards offside and the linesman waits to put his flag up. If you cant call a 3 or 4 yard offside call correctly then you shouldnt be doing the job. One day play will go on and a player will get seriously injured and it could have been so easily avoided. I get the tight calls then wave play on and review after but the easy ones is just stupid not to flag straight away
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threesixty
2:08 Mon Nov 9
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Willtell
"I think you'll find they actually changed the off-side law to allow players to be in an offside position but not interfering with play, long before VAR 360. "
ok, my bad. Yes thats true.
So my question then is does "interfering with play" only mean when a goal is scored?
Because in the first part the ball is headed away and a goal isn't scored but the second part of play means the original clearance leads to the shot on goal.
Maybe they need to clarify what "interfering with play" actually means and when the game should be stopped.
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Eerie Descent
1:33 Mon Nov 9
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The last penalty i remember us getting for one of theses poxy 'contact' fouls was Lanzini a few years ago.
He subsequently got a couple of games retrospective ban for it. The 2nd and last player to get such a ban.
Kane and Salah get applauded for it.
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Sven Roeder
1:27 Mon Nov 9
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I know someone posted the law but I cant be bothered to look
A player like HALLER (& MANE) should get caught under a law that says you are influencing play if you are in an offside seeking to obtain an advantage.
This idea that you can stand offside and be an innocent bystander frustrates people when it DOES affect defenders actions.
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Hermit Road
1:20 Mon Nov 9
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"Re their penalty, the law still states "Contact which impedes". Just 'contact' is not a foul."
This is the thing that makes me want to stop watching football.
It has become part of the game in many people's eyes and is commented on as a skill in much the same way as the ability to pass a ball. To initiate contact in the box and react in a way which gains a penalty.
Commentators love it and almost always talk about contact alone being a legitimate reason for the player the hit the deck.
Our game is now awash with it and it is making it harder to watch in my opinion. This is a shame because VAR gives you the opportunity to make a more informed decision about a player who exaggerates conttact to cheat the ref, and yet it is being used to do the reverse. VAR uses any contact as justification for rhe penalty.
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Willtell
1:03 Mon Nov 9
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threesixty 12:41 Mon Nov 9
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Willtell
Before VAR they would have blown the whistle for Haller for purely being in an offside position, they wouldn't have waited to see whether he touched it or not.
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I think you'll find they actually changed the off-side law to allow players to be in an offside position but not interfering with play, long before VAR 360.
I might be wrong but I'm sure that's the reason why linos have for more years than VAR, waited before putting up their flags. It gives them a chance to see if they interfere before flagging.
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threesixty
12:41 Mon Nov 9
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Willtell
Before VAR they would have blown the whistle for Haller for purely being in an offside position, they wouldn't have waited to see whether he touched it or not.
The problem now with VAR is that they want to wait for the whole phase of play to end before they give a decision either way.
But doing that distorts the decision making process as now a player can be in an offside position and cause a defence to do something they wouldn't have done (i.e. head the ball away) which lead to the goal.
That goal would never have even happened had it not been for accommodating VAR's inability to give a speedy decision.
thats how I saw it anyway..
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Willtell
12:34 Mon Nov 9
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Syd Puddefoot 12:20
Yes good points except -
1. Haller wasn't off side under the rules. He wasn't interfering with play.
2. I had to check but I also think that although your observation is correct Haller jumped expecting to be in the way even though the ball went behind him. Sven is right - Haller wasn't interfering or in the keeper's eye-line even though teh ref and VAR probably never noticed it.
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Sven Roeder
12:27 Mon Nov 9
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From the view behind the goal the keeper had a clear look at Soucek and was in no way blocked by Haller in his eyeline
Looking at the pens again
Mane looked out for a slight bump on his hip and launched himself
Cairney saw Benrahma’s leg and threw himself over it when his natural movement was onto his left foot
Kilman of Wolves was running naturally and had no intention
Gomez had his arm slightly outstretched but it hit his elbow which was tucked in
All these pens and we still can’t get one
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Syd Puddefoot
12:20 Mon Nov 9
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Looking at the replay of our goal again, I think that not only was Haller offside when the initial cross came in, but also more marginally when Soucek shot. At that time he seem to jump out of the way and may have been more in the goalie's eyeline.
Wonder if the first instance distracted VAR from looking at the second. Anyone else notice that?
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Razzle
11:56 Mon Nov 9
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Referees are quite spineless when it comes to simulation, i mean Cavanni at the weekend nearly rolled out the stadium
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Stubbo
11:53 Mon Nov 9
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Re their penalty, the law still states "Contact which impedes". Just 'contact' is not a foul.
Another one of the game's very subjective laws. Ref's really need to decide 'did they player go to ground because of contact' , or 'did they DECIDE to go to ground as a result of contact'.
If the latter it should be considered a dive, irrespective of there having been contact.
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Rossal
11:39 Mon Nov 9
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Forgot about Hallers goal being offside......i agree he must of been interfering
Another VAR fuck up
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Sir Alf
11:36 Mon Nov 9
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I'm in danger of straying into the "Moyes deserves credit" thread here but as per
Manuel 5:43 Mon Nov 9
I agree that if we are to progress under the fvckwits that own our club Moyes is as good a fit as we can get and should, barring a collapse this season ( which is always possible ) , be given 2 or 3 windows to rectify the gaping holes and weaknesses in the squad and align it to the way he and the coaching team want us to play.
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Razzle
11:35 Mon Nov 9
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Many may disagree with me and that is fine, but i 'm right so it will just save your fingertips typing. ;)
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Manuel
11:26 Mon Nov 9
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Razzle 11:24 Mon Nov 9
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Offside goal for West Ham, a definite penalty for Fulham''
You forgot to say in your opinion. Many will disagree with you.
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Razzle
11:24 Mon Nov 9
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Offside goal for West Ham, a definite penalty for Fulham.
3 points in the bag after a string of very difficult fixtures. Haller still looks toothless, the resurgence of Masuaku and Cresswell is a bonus - we need to push on.
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Sniper
10:49 Mon Nov 9
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Alfs
Agreed, I thought cresswell had a really good game. Seemed to have rediscovered half a yard of pace again too
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